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“ Flight Plan Plea The VFR cross-country flight had gone well. Approaching the non-towered destination airport, air traffic control terminated flight following and the pilot changed frequencies. There was no response to local traffic announcements, which was not surprising considering the...

Perhaps it was unclear but I mean property to include any items of value which the individual owns, including financial instruments or even say the secret keys to a cryptocurrency (though it is a bit difficult for me to imagine how some aviation item would damage those). So here are a few items...

Largely I agree. I think there are a fair number of aviation items where we would likely agree, even coming from a different moral perspective. I will discuss some of those in the next post. But really the only way to make progress in the places where disagreement remains would be to discuss...

Please allow me to summarize what I understand your view of the morality of these rules and regulations. Please correct me where I am mistake. Different groups of people have different views on morality and specifically the morality of various actions in aviation. In order to bring some order...

The hypothesis in this case was stated thusly - Passengers who have chosen to fly on a commercial airliner are not innocent 3rd parties in this sense. They chose to associate with airline and so any risks they thereby assumed are on them. That doesn’t really argue for the morality of it...

I do understand that certainly there can be groups of individuals that are a victims of a single act. But maintaining that somehow this gives them extra rights or moral standing to address the issue is a category error. I would agree that when determining the magnitude of the harm that one is...

Here is one relatively close airport that is thinking of this as well. I guess if what they want to do is discourage repetitive pattern work they could have an escalating fee schedule. $20 for the first landing by an owner in a day, double that for the next, and continue doubling. I think even...

I think is is somewhat hard to predict, but you may be correct that it would dramatically reduce the number of places that GA aircraft could fly. Or it might be that it would just become very expensive to use larger airports. In Phoenix I imagine Sky Harbor would be owned by some large...

It's funny - that is exactly the analogy I often use in describing these things! The parties endlessly debate black versus white while the real answer is 67% gray. I am in complete agreement with you on understanding the underpinnings and assumptions. Though I think sometimes the answer has to...

I agree that it would like end that way if we allow publicly owned airports to do this. I don't see it helping GA flying for the reasons I mentioned. In a sense, hobby flyers are really riding on the edges of a much larger industry. Of course, I don't really support the idea of publicly...

Certainly an unusual design - https://www.flyingmag.com/aircraft/that-time-when-waco-designers-went-a-little-crazy/

I wonder what the effect on traffic would really be. The fees seem fairly small compared to the cost of training and so I imagine the schools would directly pass it on to the students and continue their level of operations. This is also a serious issue in metro Phoenix. For the GA pilot flying...

It has not been my intention in this thread to debate particular moral theories, but rather to explore how different moral positions impact judgements about what sort of aviation laws and regulations should exist. One of the reasons I tend to avoid such discussion on social media is that many...

I love it, a modern day capture.

I suppose I should add a bit of how I would parse this. I would start by asking whether someone else is being aggressed against. If the owner is not aggressing against anyone, I would say leave him alone, even if he is going completely against what anyone else would do or value or think...

This is where I think the examples even if abstract help clarify the issues. That is a very different position than I would take. So it is not at all surprising that we would reach different conclusions about something as derived as aviation regulations. We are starting from rather different...

That is a good question and I would say central to the issue here. And I will note that how to treat such a person is a moral question that one has to address. I think this reflects a struggle with moral relativism, more specifically meta-ethical moral relativism...

Yes, I think so. My own view is that morality is integral to this topic. However, I am always happy to change venues, so to speak, to facilitate discussion. Please see the new thread at https://flyersforum.org/threads/morality-and-rule-systems-in-aviation-laws-and-regulation.3512/

This is a continuation of a sub-thread of https://flyersforum.org/threads/when-is-criminal-law-necessary-for-aviation-safety.3508/page-2#post-11765 I think this is a distinction mentioned here https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/morality-definition/ . I am using the term in its normative sense...