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  1. PeterNSteinmetz

    Morality and rule systems in aviation laws and regulation.

    Yes, it is my position that applying for a certificate action due to a regulatory violation is a use of indirect force. I think it quite clear that it is an indirect threat that violence will eventually be used against you if you don't cooperate. We have discussed this before and that is what...
  2. PeterNSteinmetz

    Morality and rule systems in aviation laws and regulation.

    An example from our nation's history may help illustrate these distinctions. For a long time slavery was legal in many states. Regardless of its moral status, enslaving a person and holding them in slavery involves at least an indirect use of force in the threat that they would be prosecuted...
  3. PeterNSteinmetz

    Morality and rule systems in aviation laws and regulation.

    I don’t see that at all. The actions of an ASI pursuing a regulatory violation action are an application of indirect force, thus also force. They are not direct force. The question of whether they are moral or not is a separate one which does not depend solely on that definition of the terms or...
  4. PeterNSteinmetz

    Morality and rule systems in aviation laws and regulation.

    Do either of those define the terms “force” or “criminalization” as appropriate to the context of this discussion? I had a quick look and didn’t see that. Is there anything wrong with the definitions above, which largely agree with dictionaries, and those sub-divisions? Please feel free to...
  5. PeterNSteinmetz

    Where to find historical FARs

    Thank you. Specifically I am looking for the regulation which was put in place in early 1973 which required metal detectors at airports for commercial flights. I understand it was passed into law explicitly in 1974, but believe it was first a regulation.
  6. PeterNSteinmetz

    Morality and rule systems in aviation laws and regulation.

    I certainly agree that an agreed upon lexicon is needed for a discussion to be meaningful. I also agree that terms can have specialized meanings depending on the context. For example, medicine is full of cases where a term means something slightly different from it's common usage. I will spend...
  7. PeterNSteinmetz

    Morality and rule systems in aviation laws and regulation.

    I was thinking that perhaps it is best to have some names for the two moral viewpoints we are discussing, rather than 'your' and 'my'. I think my viewpoint as expressed in post #15 can be fairly described as 'libertarian'. I would suggest that your viewpoint as expressed corrected in post #19...
  8. PeterNSteinmetz

    Where to find historical FARs

    I am trying to find the FARs from late 1972 - 1973. Is there a site that makes these available? I want to get 14 CFR 121.538 on aviation security. I have looked at the current eCFR but that only goes back to 2017.
  9. PeterNSteinmetz

    VFR Flight Plan benefits

    “ Flight Plan Plea The VFR cross-country flight had gone well. Approaching the non-towered destination airport, air traffic control terminated flight following and the pilot changed frequencies. There was no response to local traffic announcements, which was not surprising considering the...
  10. PeterNSteinmetz

    Morality and rule systems in aviation laws and regulation.

    Perhaps it was unclear but I mean property to include any items of value which the individual owns, including financial instruments or even say the secret keys to a cryptocurrency (though it is a bit difficult for me to imagine how some aviation item would damage those). So here are a few items...
  11. PeterNSteinmetz

    Morality and rule systems in aviation laws and regulation.

    Largely I agree. I think there are a fair number of aviation items where we would likely agree, even coming from a different moral perspective. I will discuss some of those in the next post. But really the only way to make progress in the places where disagreement remains would be to discuss...
  12. PeterNSteinmetz

    Morality and rule systems in aviation laws and regulation.

    Please allow me to summarize what I understand your view of the morality of these rules and regulations. Please correct me where I am mistake. Different groups of people have different views on morality and specifically the morality of various actions in aviation. In order to bring some order...
  13. PeterNSteinmetz

    Morality and rule systems in aviation laws and regulation.

    The hypothesis in this case was stated thusly - Passengers who have chosen to fly on a commercial airliner are not innocent 3rd parties in this sense. They chose to associate with airline and so any risks they thereby assumed are on them. That doesn’t really argue for the morality of it...
  14. PeterNSteinmetz

    Morality and rule systems in aviation laws and regulation.

    I do understand that certainly there can be groups of individuals that are a victims of a single act. But maintaining that somehow this gives them extra rights or moral standing to address the issue is a category error. I would agree that when determining the magnitude of the harm that one is...
  15. PeterNSteinmetz

    Landing fees to deter training school traffic

    Here is one relatively close airport that is thinking of this as well. I guess if what they want to do is discourage repetitive pattern work they could have an escalating fee schedule. $20 for the first landing by an owner in a day, double that for the next, and continue doubling. I think even...
  16. PeterNSteinmetz

    Landing fees to deter training school traffic

    I think is is somewhat hard to predict, but you may be correct that it would dramatically reduce the number of places that GA aircraft could fly. Or it might be that it would just become very expensive to use larger airports. In Phoenix I imagine Sky Harbor would be owned by some large...
  17. PeterNSteinmetz

    Morality and rule systems in aviation laws and regulation.

    It's funny - that is exactly the analogy I often use in describing these things! The parties endlessly debate black versus white while the real answer is 67% gray. I am in complete agreement with you on understanding the underpinnings and assumptions. Though I think sometimes the answer has to...
  18. PeterNSteinmetz

    Landing fees to deter training school traffic

    I agree that it would like end that way if we allow publicly owned airports to do this. I don't see it helping GA flying for the reasons I mentioned. In a sense, hobby flyers are really riding on the edges of a much larger industry. Of course, I don't really support the idea of publicly...
  19. PeterNSteinmetz

    The Waco Aristocraft

    Certainly an unusual design - https://www.flyingmag.com/aircraft/that-time-when-waco-designers-went-a-little-crazy/
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